{"id":13581,"date":"2023-05-17T08:04:18","date_gmt":"2023-05-17T12:04:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/intramuralist.com\/?p=13581"},"modified":"2023-05-17T08:04:20","modified_gmt":"2023-05-17T12:04:20","slug":"the-challenge-with-the-jordan-neely-responses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/intramuralist.com\/?p=13581","title":{"rendered":"the challenge with the jordan neely responses"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Two weeks ago a man was choked to death on a crowded NYC subway. He was black. The man who applied the chokehold was white. This is the most thought-provoking article I\u2019ve read on the subject since. It\u2019s written by <em>Unherd <\/em>contributor Kat Rosenfield. It\u2019s a little longer post for us at the Intramuralist, but it&#8217;s insightful. Also, beware: the title begins with \u201cWhat Neither Side Gets Right\u2026,\u201d which makes it just perfect for here&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Respectfully, of course\u2026 AR<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>* * * * *<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>During the peak of the #MeToo movement, the conversation about sexual harassment came down to two related but ultimately separate questions. On the one hand, there was the question of what men shouldn\u2019t do; on the other, there was the question of what women could be expected to tolerate.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>This was where some women, usually but not always older, rolled their eyes. Did an awkward joke, a bad date, or\u2014as one memorable entry in the infamous <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/6c7ab5cf-a5cd-4220-b294-34d1adcf3455?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shitty Media Men list<\/a> alleged\u2014a \u201cweird lunch\u201d <\/em><strong><em>really<\/em><\/strong><em> constitute a form of harassment, let alone a cancellable offense? But other women, usually but not always younger, clucked their tongues: it was only because women kept putting up with such behavior that men kept thinking they could get away with it.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>At the time, the younger cohort appeared to the older like a bunch of <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/0508e6b3-b158-4613-bde2-f4b5c94b8835?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">hypersensitive harpies<\/a>, retreating to the fainting couch at the slightest whiff of insult. The older, according to the younger, were <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/fe11d88b-6f6e-49a3-b503-d74ba4623455?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">cozying up to the patriarchy<\/a>, in a desperate attempt to stave off their own irrelevance.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201cWe\u2019re tough enough to take it,\u201d said the Olds.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201cIt\u2019s sad you think you have to,\u201d said the Youths.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>This early rift in the movement represented a deeper philosophical disagreement, about the nature and importance of resilience. The narrow question is, when does an annoying man become an evil harasser? The broader one is, when does a tolerable nuisance cross the line to become an intolerable transgression?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>This question has been on my mind this week, for the most tragic of reasons. On May 1, a 30-year-old man named Jordan Neely was choked to death on a crowded New York City subway train by a 24-year-old Marine named Daniel Penny. Neely, who was homeless and mentally ill, was reportedly screaming and confronting passengers; he was killed after Penny put him in a chokehold, while two other passengers held him down. Penny, in a statement released through his lawyers, said he did not intend to kill Neely.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>This incident was preventable. Long before his death, Neely was known to New York City authorities as a person who could not manage independent living, and who had been spiraling in recent years, desperately in need of help. For him to die on the dirty floor of a subway car, screaming and defecating on himself while three strangers held him by the arms, legs, and neck, he had to be first failed at every turn by a system that was supposed to shelter and protect him\u2014not just from doing harm, but from being harmed by others when his mental illness manifested in frightening ways.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>That Neely slipped through the cracks is not the only sign of institutional failure here. As ridership on the NYC subway has increased in the wake of Covid, so too have instances of violence, including several high-profile <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/3edb981c-b351-4819-899d-6862eb17c7b7?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">incidents<\/a> in which people have been <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/5f0ba50f-a807-4499-adc7-482e29b34ab0?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">attacked<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/95e464a7-b18a-4c26-a9bc-5fcaaff7f2e2?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">killed<\/a>. New York City mayor Eric Adams was elected in 2021 on a campaign that promised to flood the subway system with uniformed police officers, to combat both crime and the perception that the subway has become wildly more dangerous in recent years.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>To what extent this campaign could succeed is not clear. There has always been a baseline level of criminality and antisocial behavior on the subway; sexual harassment and assault is so ubiquitous that brushing up against it is all but inevitable. I was groped, flashed, or masturbated at probably two dozen times during the seven years I spent living in New York. When a friend moved to NYC last year, I told her that she couldn\u2019t truly call herself a New Yorker until she exited a crowded subway car to discover that someone had ejaculated on her coat. (I was only partly kidding.) It\u2019s not that anyone thinks these things are okay; it\u2019s more that they\u2019re expected, a sad fact of life in a city of 8.5 million people, one of those things you cannot change and hence have to find a way to put up with. You look away, you shrug it off, you don\u2019t let it ruin your day because if you did, it would ruin <\/em><strong><em>all <\/em><\/strong><em>of your days.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Here is where the notion of resilience enters in. New York City residents have perhaps a higher tolerance than most for antisocial behavior in public places, on the subway in particular. Warm and dry, with a captive audience, it attracts all kinds of colorful personalities: panhandlers and performers, pickpockets and preachers, as well as people like Neely who are in the grips of something darker. Until recently, it was standard practice to meet the arrival of one of these people on a crowded carriage with downcast eyes and silence; there was a tacit agreement that you neither react to nor acknowledge the transgressor. That agreement remained in place as crime rose, and as NYC saw a marked increase in behavior that, even if it started out as merely weird, could\u2014and did\u2014escalate rapidly to violence. In <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/cee7fb9a-6fdb-4826-8afa-57a98cee38da?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">2022<\/a>, for instance, a video did the rounds, of a woman begging for help while a deranged man hauls her around a train car by her hair.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>But if it was difficult to know exactly where a tolerance for breaches of decorum became apologia for criminal harassment, it was even harder to identify, after Jordan Neely\u2019s death, where the tacit agreement to tolerate becomes a duty to intervene. How do we know when to stand by, when to step in, when to look away, when to be afraid?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Here, one might have expected that many of the same voices who argued so vehemently against the notion of resilience in the midst of MeToo\u2014the ones who believed that the solution to harassment lay not in teaching women to be assertive, but in teaching men not to abuse\u2014would now demand zero tolerance for male aggression on public transit. If you argue that a woman can be traumatized by bawdy humor in the office or awkward come-ons in a bar, surely you would agree that she\u2019s entitled to be fearful when trapped underground on a metal tube with an erratically behaving stranger twice her size.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>But, no: instead, many of the people who once insisted that men who slid into DMs deserved the complete destruction of their professional reputations became passionate advocates for toughening up when it came to dealing with volatile people on public transit. Coverage and commentary from the Left downplayed the possibility that Neely\u2019s behavior was frightening; instead, he was \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/a390fa73-5eb6-40b4-a3a4-fe06029d5037?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">acting erratic<\/a>,\u201d or \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/df621c19-14d2-4616-9fd3-0fbf196ee250?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">houseless and crying for food<\/a>.\u201d One <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/fe4f1a9c-980b-4fd4-9ef9-3e9775062915?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">viral tweet<\/a> suggested that tragedy could have been averted with \u201ca dollar and granola bar.\u201d The New York Times <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/3c8d670d-7ad7-4c69-a991-4c9255fe98a0?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">guide<\/a> to navigating similar scenarios on public transit took it a step further, imagining someone like Neely as a wild animal it is everyone else\u2019s duty not to provoke: \u201cDon\u2019t make eye contact\u2014especially prolonged eye contact, which might be perceived as threatening.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Meanwhile, threads proliferated <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/931a9dba-02d3-4b8f-921f-aae08b1ce46c?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\">mocking<\/a> the notion that New York\u2019s subways <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/d20b6582-661c-4cba-8345-b1f579615245?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">might be a dangerous place<\/a>: \u201cI\u2019ve safely ridden the subway for 23 years and my child has never been menaced by a half naked lunatic, but these imaginary monsters in your head are addressable with therapy,\u201d wrote Elizabeth Spiers, a founding editor of Gawker and journalism professor at NYU. This is a remarkable sentiment, and not just because of its stunning reversal of the MeToo-era catechism that allegations should be believed. Less than a year ago, Spiers was among those advocating for the <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/a0a5d9cd-d972-427f-9193-7fa632343109?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suspension<\/a> without pay of journalist Dave Weigel after he retweeted what some perceived as a sexist joke, <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/12df1590-c63b-4c52-8400-a295c2c947b7?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">owing<\/a> to the way this was allegedly received by his female colleagues (\u201c[Every] woman who works with you thinks you\u2019ve telegraphed publicly that you don\u2019t respect women.\u201d)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>To sum up: a man who reposts an off-color joke is advertising his innate misogyny, to the point where women should feel uncomfortable sharing a workplace with him. But an agitated and clearly unstable man announcing to a crowded subway car\u2014as Neely <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/49b9fdfa-d0a5-4f74-a704-c3ed5a975fdd?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">reportedly<\/a> did\u2014that he\u2019s been pushed to the brink and is ready to die, or go to prison for life: why in the world would you find that menacing?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>This sudden rediscovery of the merits of resilience would have been almost refreshing, if not for the whiplash of its promotion by people who up until very recently were arguing that a tweet made them unsafe. There\u2019s even something to it: the ubiquity of certain kinds of boundary-challenging behavior in big cities makes it not just impractical but impossible to treat every incident of one-off harassment from a stranger as if it\u2019s the end of the world. And of course, once you\u2019ve survived a run-in with the mystery subway ejaculator, sexist microaggressions are unlikely to faze you: cultivating resilience is how we learn to recognize that a situation can be both genuinely alarming but not materially unsafe, or to make peace with the fact that many things which make us uncomfortable should nevertheless be <\/em><strong><em>allowed.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>But this mindset was considered anathema during MeToo. With trauma allegedly lurking just around the corner of every heterosexual encounter, distrust became the default. Not just the default, but celebrated\u2014\u201cmen need to feel a cold spike of fear when they begin a sexual encounter,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/fa48e8c1-dab7-42b1-95c1-af857f3e8b96?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">intoned Vox\u2019s Ezra Klein<\/a>, in a proto-MeToo celebration of this new, terrified paradigm for intimacy. The idea, of course, was that women already felt that fear, living as they did at the eternal precipice of victimization by the patriarchy; in a truly equal society, everyone would be scared.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Of course, today\u2019s 180-degree pivot to brash fearlessness is identitarian horse-trading: MeToo is out, BLM is in. The dynamics of any conflict must be considered along these lines, and the narrative must be massaged accordingly. This was true in 2020 when a white woman called the police on a black man who threatened her in a public park; it is true now, as piety demands that the behavior of the black, homeless victim of this terrible tragedy must not be scrutinized in any way. On the Left, that is; the Right has spent the past few days waving Neely\u2019s criminal history in the air, singing \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/redirect\/ccdca5a7-64a7-493a-b7dc-1ba24c163585?j=eyJ1IjoiMnkxMHoifQ.2qFBOU6cJzou-qSANlBUibgDYZ1cUYqzfQdjex23_UE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">He Had It Coming<\/a>,\u201d in an absolute spectacle of ghoulishness.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>In the end, neither the malicious glee from the Right nor the aggressive minimization from the Left are treating this case with the sensitivity it deserves. The truth is, eyewitnesses did report that Neely was behaving in a threatening way, and other people on the train were calling 911 well before his confrontation with Penny, suggesting that whatever was happening, it was a cut above the ordinary subway madness that New Yorkers are usually so good at ignoring.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>But it is also true that the tragic conclusion of this incident seems, at least in part, like the result of a cultivated fragility\u2014the kind that results when you encourage people to view every uncomfortable situation as a trauma in the making, every unpleasant interaction as a precursor to a far worse harm, every upset as an offense for which there must be consequences. That mindset, so ubiquitous in the wake of MeToo, so popular among progressives in general, says that no breach of decorum or moment of discomfort is too insignificant to ignore. It must be registered. It must be <\/em><strong><em>punished.<\/em><\/strong><em> It\u2019s nothing more or less than a call for constant vigilance. The thing about that: when you demand vigilance, you get vigilantes.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Two weeks ago a man was choked to death on a crowded NYC subway. He was black. The man who applied the chokehold was white. This is the most thought-provoking article I\u2019ve read on the subject since. It\u2019s written by Unherd contributor Kat Rosenfield. 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